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Casebone
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Hello there,

I'm new to ksetlist, kurzweil and playing the keyboard. I'm a bit lost about where to find an answer to my question about setups in combination with external equipment, so i'll give it a try here.

I have a PC361 and a Nord 2 rack connected to it. I prefer the nord hammond sound and it saves a lot of FX resources not having to use the KB3 organs. I'm controlling the nord with the PC3 (for a cover pop/rock/blues band) and need a lot of control over volume, EQ per zone and so on, so I'm about 20 sliders short :)

My first thought was to make several versions of a setup, each with its own controllersetting. One setup to use the nine sliders to control the nord, one setup with volume per zone and so on. I thought setting the 'EntryPrgChg' to 'Off' in combination with the 'EntryVolume' and 'ExitVolume' set to 'none' would do the trick. But when I switch between setups, the MidiProg doesn't change but the volume is set to 127, even with 'EntryVolume' (of selected setup) and 'ExitVolume' (of current setup) set to 'none'. So if I have a good mix in one setup and want to switch to the next, everything is on at the max again, so that's a useless option for me.

Is this a bug or a feature? (volume being set to 127 with 'EntryVolume' and 'ExitVolume' set to 'none' and 'EntryPrgChg' set to 'Off')

My current solution is to create an extra controlzone per sound with the same midichannel and notemap set to none, then muting/unmuting controlzones with the programmable switches. But since different programs have different sliderconfigurations, this is not ideal cause I get a lot of overlapping sliders assignments.

I hope anyone here has a tip where to look or how to get around this, other than buying an extra board.

Cheers,
Kees

 
Posted : 23/07/2013 9:27 am
EvilDragon
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When entry and exit value is set to "none", then nothing shouldn't change between setups - the value that will be used is slider's current position.

Did you set the entry/exit values for master volume of the zone to "None", as well (PANVOL page)? This is important. I have created two setups where slider A adjusts volume, with entry/exit set to "None", and entry/exit volume on PANVOL page is set to "none" as well... so slider A adjusts the master volume for the program loaded (it's just a one zone setup), and volume according to slider A position is preserved when switching between those two setups.

 
Posted : 24/07/2013 4:04 am
tz_keyz
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I play a PC3K8 and sometimes use a Nord electro rack. I place the Nord in a spot where I can access the panel controls rather than us the PC3K8 sliders. I run a CC pedal directly from the Nord for volume, and use foot switch "3" from the PC3K to control Leslie speed. I think one of my setups uses the mod wheel to add distortion.

One work around I'm thinking of doing is making a bank of Nord organs w/different settings and just making program changes for different sounds as opposed to using the sliders.

I previously used a PC2x and the Nord rack sat on top of the keyboard on the left side nicely.

I have noticed some glitches when CC pedals and sliders are both set to volume on the same channel/zone. It's better to use one or the other.

 
Posted : 24/07/2013 6:17 am
fran
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Hi,

If programmed properly, you can totally keep whatever MIDI CC when changing setups.

I have noticed some glitches when CC pedals and sliders are both set to volume on the same channel/zone. It's better to use one or the other.

I wouldn't call this a glitch. This is what happens:

If you have multiple controller sending the same MIDI CC (volume, for example), with different entry values, at setup expansion all those entry values will be sent... but you don't know the order, so the end result is unpredictable for you. For that, the best thing is to make sure only one of them sends an entry value, and the rest have a NONE as entry value.

In the case of volume, there is also the page PAN/VOL that will send at entry that volume that you have in that page, unless you set it to NONE.

Also, note that you could have multiple zones set to the same MIDI Channel, and in that case all those entry values (depending on the destination field) will end up going to the same channel.

In short, check PAN/VOL page and all your controllers. Also, differentiate between Volume MIDI 7 and Expression MIDI 11. You might think it's volume what's happening but it might be expression.

Regards,
Fran

Regards,
Fran

 
Posted : 24/07/2013 6:32 am
tz_keyz
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I've been through all that, we had some communication about this several months back Francisco. There is also an issue when going from a program to a setup in Q&A mode. When switching from a program to a setup the CC pedal needs to be fully depressed or else the volume of the main channel in the destination setup will be very low. Sending a panic/note off will clear this up, but you need to re-select the setup or else all channels in the setup will be at maximum volume.

Let me add, if no CC pedals are plugged in this situation does NOT occur.

 
Posted : 24/07/2013 7:18 pm
fran
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Hi,

From Setup to Program, yeah, that is different than from Setup to Setup. We reload the control setup (the one that user has in the MIDI XMIT page, reexpand programs in all channels, among other things, so yep, there is more stuff going on than going from setup to setup.

Regards,
Fran

 
Posted : 25/07/2013 10:04 am
Casebone
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Hi there,

Thanks for all the reactions. It turned out that my slider ENT wasn't set to none so it was my stupid mistake. Volume is maintained now when switching setups, great!

As soon as I'm more advanced in creating sounds, I'll be sharing them.

Regards,
Kees

 
Posted : 27/07/2013 3:28 am
tz_keyz
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Hi,

From Setup to Program, yeah, that is different than from Setup to Setup. We reload the control setup (the one that user has in the MIDI XMIT page, reexpand programs in all channels, among other things, so yep, there is more stuff going on than going from setup to setup.

The work around would be to use the program in a setup. TZ

 
Posted : 28/07/2013 6:57 am
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